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Silver Shoes/Golden Bricks
A Conversation with Paul Miles Schneider
Paul Miles
Schneider has
written a contemporary
action-adventure story in which a young boy
acquires one of the ancient Silver Shoes that
Dorothy lost over Kansas during her return from Oz. I
talked
with Paul about his many and varied personal experiences with Oz...
WW:
Did growing up in
Kansas have an impact on
your love for Oz?
PS: Absolutely,
there’s no question about it. I was introduced to the Oz books and the
MGM movie at an early age—maybe four or five. Kansas was a common bond
I shared with Dorothy. As a young kid, it felt like I was standing
right at “ground zero” with her—the place where all possibilities
began. And if she could have incredible adventures, it meant that I
might have them someday, too. As I got older, I would gaze into the
clouds a lot. Kansas skies are typically wide open and
breathtaking—always changing and sometimes very dramatic. They seem to
lead the way to other distant places. Even back then, I knew I would
eventually travel from Kansas and see the world. I suppose I had the
same basic yearning that Dorothy Gale did. At least MGM’s Dorothy.
WW: I
understand your grandfather had several early editions of the Oz books.
How did you come to read them as a child?
PS: Before I learned to read myself, my mother
would sit by my bed and read them to me, always stopping to enjoy the
beautiful illustrations. She told me these books had been her father’s
when he was a little boy. I loved the personal inscriptions from my
long-departed relatives that were scrawled inside the front covers:
“Merry Christmas, Love Aunt Jo, 1906.” Things like that. Later, the
books were given to my mother when she was a young girl. Then they were
passed along to me. It was one of the first “legacies” that I recall.
It felt very important to me at the time, and it still does. I have
them proudly displayed on living room bookshelves today. Most aren’t in
great shape. They’ve been poured over and loved by eager fingers and
hands for more than a hundred years now. Still, to me, they’re
priceless.
WW: Your grandfather worked
in Hollywood and your parents did stage work as well. Does your family
have any stories of working with the stars?
PS: My
mother’s father was a civil engineer in Kansas, and he was the one with
the Oz book collection. But my paternal grandfather started out as a
Russian immigrant who moved to New York City with his family at the
beginning of the twentieth century. From those very humble beginnings
growing up on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, he eventually met a
group of brothers who were forming a movie studio. They needed an
accountant, and my grandfather, who had learned the trade by then,
signed on. It was Jack, Harry, Albert, and Sam, and they called their
new studio Warner Bros. My
grandfather shared a great deal of success with them and was soon a top
executive there. Today, you would say he was their CFO. He determined
the budgets for all the films as well as the stars’ salaries.
One of my grandmother’s best friends was Joan Crawford. The last movie
my grandfather worked on at Warners was the 1954 musical version of A
Star Is Born, After production finished on the film, my grandparents
sailed to Europe with Judy Garland and Sid Luft, staying at the same
hotel with them in London, etc. And my aunt, who was a teenager at the
time, kept an eye on Liza for them during the crossing. Unfortunately,
this glamorous era happened years before I was born. I wish I had known
my grandfather a little better. I was barely eighteen when he passed
away, and I had just started asking him specific questions about his
life and work. I inherited his gold watch after he died, and I still
wear it today. It’s the watch Jack Warner gave him when he retired from
the studio. When I was born in New York City, my father was working as
a cameraman on The Patty Duke Show. My mother was an actress and had
appeared on Broadway in Miss Lonelyhearts with Pat O’Brien, Fritz
Weaver, Ruth Warrick, and Anne Meara. She did a second Broadway play
with Sal Mineo. And she also worked on live television dramas during
the Golden Age with people like Peter Ustinov, Sandra Church, and
Robert Preston. After my parents divorced in the mid-’80s, she married
her second husband, Brooks Clift. He was the brother of movie star
Montgomery Clift. I know this sounds a little crazy coming from a guy
who grew up in Kansas. It was probably even more bizarre to the people
living around us at the time. I remember once when Jason Robards came
to our house for dinner. That’s not so unusual if you live in Hollywood
or New York, but it’s a little out of the ordinary for a college town
in Kansas.
WW: You
and Margaret Hamilton were pen pals for quite awhile. What was the
Wicked Witch of the West like underneath the makeup?
PS: I
just wrote about our meeting a few days ago on my Silver Shoes Blog. I
shared a detailed recollection about my “audience with the Wicked Witch
of the West.” I hope your readers find time to check it out. She was a
warm, sweet, wonderful lady, and it was hard for me to believe she had
played such a menacing character on film. Of course, I was just seven
years old at the time, and it was following a performance of Rodgers
& Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Lincoln Center in New York. I had no
idea my grandfather had arranged a special meeting in advance. I was
ushered into her private dressing room alone, and we talked for several
minutes while she took off her makeup. I asked her all sorts of
questions about filming the movie, and she answered every one of them.
She treated me like an equal, never talking down to me because I was a
kid. And best of all, she did her laugh for me—that iconic witch’s
cackle. I told her I hadn’t been convinced she had played this part,
because she was so nice and looked more like a grandmother than a mean
old witch. She won me over instantly with her incredible laugh. I was
suddenly sitting in the presence of the Wicked Witch of the West. I
will never forget it as long as I live. When I started second grade, a
few months later, she became my pen pal for the entire school year. She
was the exact opposite of the character she had made so famous on the
screen.
WW: You’ll
be doing a book signing with several other Oz authors and celebrities
in late April, 2009. Have you attended other Oz events over the years?
PS: I’ve attended Oz events before, but not Oz
Club events, so I’m very excited about this upcoming
South Winkies gathering in Glendale, CA. I’ve been an
on-again-off-again member of the IWOC for many years. I first joined as
an eager teenager in the mid-1970s. I still have my Baum Bugles and
Oziana magazines. About a dozen years ago, I attended a large
celebration of the surviving Munchkins at the Culver Hotel in Culver
City. I have autographed photos from that day, framed and hanging on
the wall. One of the coolest Oz events I ever attended was as a kid in
Kansas, when a horse trainer hired for the MGM Oz film came through our
town. I have photos of me riding a pony. It’s one of the two black
ponies that pulled Dorothy around the big Munchkinland set in her
flower petal carriage. And it’s the same pony Rhett Butler fatefully
gave to his daughter Bonnie Blue in Gone With the Wind. It’s funny,
though. Looking at this upcoming Oz event in Glendale, and surfing
around online through the IWOC website, I’m seeing the names of a few
dedicated fans and officers of the club that I recall seeing on the
rosters when I first became a member. I hope I get to meet them someday
soon. It would be quite a thrill for me.
WW:
What is your favorite Oz book and why?
PS: If
I had to pick just one, which isn’t easy, I would say The Road to Oz. I
remember it felt like such a delightful, celebratory party the first
time I read it. I adore the characters of Polychrome, Button Bright and
the Shaggy Man. And the appearance of Santa Claus! I also think John R.
Neill truly outdid himself with those illustrations. I was so
captivated with his work on this particular book that I created my own
acrylic painting from one of his drawings when I was sixteen. I was
truly inspired.
WW: If you were to produce an interactive menu
for the MGM DVD, what would it look like?
PS: After
more than eight years in the Home Entertainment industry—producing
interactive menus and special content graphics for movies like Star
Wars, Lawrence of Arabia, and the Harry Potter films—I’d trade any of
those projects in a heartbeat for a chance to work on Oz. Since this
would be a total dream job for me, I will keep right on dreaming and
assume the budget is no concern. I could easily envision an animated
intro of the inside of Dorothy’s farmhouse, POV through her bedroom
window during the climax of the tornado sequence, as we see the film’s
title whirl by on the screen. It’s a short intro (thankfully) as the
house lands quickly with a thump! Then we pan horizontally around (in
3D of course) to the front door and push through into the Technicolor
world of Munchkinland. The camera rises
up, panning over a faithful recreation of the famous set and locks off
right next to the Yellow Brick Road. Viewers could select from several
of the tall flowers, or the Munchkins hiding in the bushes, or the
small doors and windows on the fronts of the huts, etc., These would
activate the submenus for Languages, Special Features, and Scene
Selections. Then, for example, if a viewer clicked on a door, it would
open up to reveal a parade of trumpeting Munchkin soldiers followed by
the mayor himself, who would tip his hat and point to an expanding list
of Deleted Scenes. I can tell you now, you don’t want to hear the cost
on this one!
WW: Having
worked on several film to DVD projects, why do you feel that virtually
all film adaptations of Oz other then the MGM film have failed?
PS: Capturing
the essence of The Wizard of Oz on film isn’t easy at all. Filmmakers
who approach the original source material usually get bogged down in
trying to adapt too many of the details and specifics of the book, and
they lose the spirit and whimsy of Baum’s story along the way.
Everything grinds to a halt. I think the MGM adaptation works best,
because it captures the overall feeling of what he wrote, even if it
modifies the details. The audience goes on a great, cinematic ride from
the very beginning. The delightful songs advance the action and capture
the humor. And the mood is never somber or morose.
WW: Several
pairs of Ruby Slippers were created for Judy Garland to wear in the MGM
film. Obviously, L. Frank Baum used silver ones in his novel. If for a
moment we believe that Oz is a real place, why do you think the silver
shoes were first created and by whom?
PS: Aha! Well, I definitely
don’t want to spoil my book by giving you too detailed of an answer
here. The premise of my novel is that Oz does, in fact, exist. I take
the reader on a mysterious, sometimes frightening, and sometimes
rousing journey of discovery. Things start simply enough and then grow
more complex and fantastic as the plot develops. Information about the
shoes isn’t revealed all at once, but rather in stages—like fitting
together the pieces of a puzzle. The characters in the book are trying
to figure all of this out as best they can with the limited resources
they have. Traditional Oz fans might be surprised by some of the
creative twists and turns along the way. But I will say that I do go
into the historical background of the shoes, from an outsider’s
“realistic” perspective looking in. The reader will increasingly gain
knowledge of the origin of the Silver Shoes, their vast history, and
their incredible powers with every turn of the page.
WW: Why did you choose the name Donald Gardner
for your lead character? Does it have some hidden meaning?
PS: I did choose his name carefully. A keen Oz
fan will notice the first two letters of his first and last names line
up with a familiar little girl’s from Kansas. For others, that might
not be so obvious. Either way is fine with me. It was a conscious
decision on my part. But does it hold any significance in the story, or
is it merely an “unintentional” or subliminal coincidence? You will
have to read the book to find out.
WW: Do you have plans to write another Oz book?
PS: I definitely do. I was hoping people would
enjoy this first book, but the initial feedback on Silver Shoes has
been even better than I anticipated. One of the things people tell me
right away is, “I want to know what happens next!” Without spoiling the
plot, my novel ends with a huge possibility for a continuation. When I
was first working on it, I struggled endlessly to tie up every loose
end in a neat little package. I wanted to answer all possible questions
that readers and I myself might pose along the way. And when I finished
a rough draft of the last two chapters, it felt completely wrong.
Everything was planned and symmetrical and dull, and it knocked the
excitement right out of the story. I think the ending I have now leaves
readers quite satisfied. The main conflict comes to a climactic
conclusion, but in a way, you might say this is just the beginning for
Donald and the others. Hopefully, readers will want to know what
happens next. And more about Oz, of course. And yes, I’m pleased to
tell you that I have already begun work on a second book, picking up
this story right where the first one leaves off.
WW: If you were to either meet L. Frank Baum or
go to Oz for a day, which would you choose?
PS: Meeting the man
himself would be a life-changing experience, but I would definitely
choose the latter and go to Oz for a day. I’ve dreamed about it for as
long as I can remember. Some of my earliest conscious memories are
those dreams, in fact. And now I have written my own modern tale about
the “actual” existence of Oz. It’s my ultimate tribute to L. Frank Baum
and his brilliant imagination. Now I’ve added my own imagination into
the mix. And I hope it’s the beginning of a series of exciting new
adventures for another generation of fans. ∆
Paul Miles Schneider was born in New York City and
raised in Lawrence,
Kansas. At various times he has been an actor, writer, composer,
singer, and arranger. He currently lives in Los Angeles, where he
produces and designs DVD menus and interactive content for over 200
films
& TV shows, as well as over 40 Blu-ray Discs, working on such
titles as "Star Wars III," "Casino Royale," "Fight Club," "Baron
Munchausen," "Life of Brian," "Buffy" (TV), "Men In Black," "Spinal
Tap" and "Harry Potter." Paul can be
reached through www.paulmilesschneider.com
Silver Shoes
was
published on February 23, 2009 by iUniverse.com
Blair Frodelius lives in upstate New York and is the
editor of The
Daily
Ozmapolitan, The Ozmapolitan Express and OzProject.com. He can be
reached at
blair@frodelius.com
--Interviewed by Blair
Frodelius; April 7, 2009
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